This episode is a companion to our November 2024 piece about invasive plants and land management in the Sonoran Desert. It features three practitioners of Indigenous cultural and ecological preservation – Karl Hoerig who works for the Pascua Yaqui Tribe; Jacelle Ramon-Sauberan whose academic work captures Tohono O’odham history; and Raeshaun Ramon, who serves as a Saguaro National Park Ranger. JSW is grateful for their perspectives, and for the chance to broaden the land management conversation— in part by using the Saguaro cactus as a case study for key considerations about how humans exist within desert ecologies.

Hosted, edited and produced by Patricia Schwartz; post production by Carlos Quintero.